New HOOPS posts!!!/More men's hoops/2007-2008 predictions
ATTENTION ! ATTENTION!!!
First, thank you all for non-stop participation...
But ....I am honestly losing track of what posts were sent to what topic re: men's hoops.....I think we all here.. So to simplify let's just make them here for a while!...
Please check out Hit a Free throw's comment..which I have copied and moved here from a prior topic...
Thanks ....
Also....let's look ahead a bit...
1. Next year's opening day lineup ? - you may add - new recruit if you think it'll be someone not on current roster.
Mine' - G "Jet, Whitney, Shipman, F - Crews, C - Dobriansky... Key reserves: Hett, DelTufo, New recruit. Anyone for a back court of "Hett and the Jet?"
2. How many wins in NEC (not overall record...based on 18 NEC games).
For now am going to go 8-10...hey, that's one more than this year!!
Based on - a) MU will rely more on guards and in particular Youngblood b) adopt consistent style - whatever that will be c) forecasting front line will at least be adequate. If it's not well....eight games will be a reach for sure.
Now I know many of you skeptics will be critical of this outlook, so go right ahead. But this is the NEC ....!!!
First, thank you all for non-stop participation...
But ....I am honestly losing track of what posts were sent to what topic re: men's hoops.....I think we all here.. So to simplify let's just make them here for a while!...
Please check out Hit a Free throw's comment..which I have copied and moved here from a prior topic...
Thanks ....
Also....let's look ahead a bit...
1. Next year's opening day lineup ? - you may add - new recruit if you think it'll be someone not on current roster.
Mine' - G "Jet, Whitney, Shipman, F - Crews, C - Dobriansky... Key reserves: Hett, DelTufo, New recruit. Anyone for a back court of "Hett and the Jet?"
2. How many wins in NEC (not overall record...based on 18 NEC games).
For now am going to go 8-10...hey, that's one more than this year!!
Based on - a) MU will rely more on guards and in particular Youngblood b) adopt consistent style - whatever that will be c) forecasting front line will at least be adequate. If it's not well....eight games will be a reach for sure.
Now I know many of you skeptics will be critical of this outlook, so go right ahead. But this is the NEC ....!!!
posted by Tony Graham at 10:15 PM
43 Comments:
Tony,
I was just reading the calls for Calloway's head on another thread. I'm not doing that, But I do agree with some criticisms of him and I think the reality of the soon-to-come MAC has got to play into this a lot. As you've said, Gaffney will not want an empty MAC after it's been built. Dave knows what that means and must feel the pressure to bring in better talent.
With what we have now, we;re looking at 20+ losses next year.
We can't keep recruiting these 'projects' and 'role players' -- that's simply code for Div. III player!
No more spinning the 'success' story either. Having success in the NEC is fine, but where is the breakthrough season, the 24-8 or 25-6 type year? We've NEVER been close to one of those! And before you go telling me about how tough the non-conference schedule is every year, what about the Hofstras, the Manhattans (under Bobby G), the Drexels, the Winthrops -- shall I go on? Don't they play top 100 teams (and beat some) in their non-conference schedules? Coming up with an upset of a Vanderbilt or a So. Illinois once every 3 years doesn't match what these schools do pretty regularly. Almost 90% of our wins come from the NEC, some MAAC teams, and an occasional newly-minted Div. I school. Forget about being the 'Gonzaga of the East' -- how about just replicating one of these teams!
I think the advent of the MAC will be a key factor down the road in many areas.. - one, it should help in recruiting ..
You mention - the Hofstras, the Manhattans (under Bobby G), the Drexels, the Winthrops, etc. ...Winthrop of the Big South is in the same RPI ball park as the NEC..but others are in higher profile leagues....
MU/NEC teams have their share of problems getting players who could player at higher levels....I sure didn't see many (any?) this year who could play on a regular basis - say in the A-10...
Having said that there is NEVER a reason MU should not at least make the NEC Tournament ..Dave said he did not do his job this year...I would have to agree with that..though am still not sure of the reason..
On paper this team looked pretty good, it just never jelled...and it definitely lacked poise in big moments....blame the coach ? Sure. But the players are the ones on the floor. We can go round and round on this forever...
But if MU misses the NECs again next year my confidence in Dave will be slipping ...
Sorry, but you cannot compare Manhattan, Hofstra, and Drexel to Monmouth. The MAAC and CAA are much much bigger/better conferences than the NEC. Winthrop is the dominant team in the Big South (7 of the last 9 conference championships) and they are finally starting to reap the rewards of that success. Nobody in the NEC comes close to matching that success and it will be a long time before anyone does.
jmgmon does make a good point re MU's lack of non-conference success....
Bill Handelman wrote a column some years back on MU maybe becoming the Gonzaga of the east..
It read well at the time but was not realistic ...NEC just doesn't usually get those caliber players...at least..not recently ...
I dont by it,Monmouth should have improved after SIX great seasons and THREE NCAA dance tickets.. the fan base.. blue white club..total backing by the AD etc.Some very good non confrence Wins and a new 34 million dollar MAC.The real million dollar question no one has ask is" WHY is Monmouth Basketball in such trouble NOW? "My answer is poor management of the over all program just look at the problem and you can see that the recruiting has been below standards for most part but give credit to Geoff Billet who gave us the JET before he left. Tony whats your thoughts on why ?
MU recruiting I think took a serious hit with the Tyson Johnson/Tyrone Hanson developments ....if just one had worked out MU would be in better shape for next year and I have to believe would not have fallen off so badly this year ...
Overall - minus the Jet - MU has taken chances on kids that were red-shirted and or have so far not worked out....
Redshirts Dobriansky and Gaitley were projects going in....Dave knew that...and the jury still out on them..they have four years left..
But he did not expect Crews (who has talent) to flounder or Simpson to be chronically injured...
I can tell you fist-hand Simpson looked teriffic playing in the gym in Sept-Oct as did Crews. But, then again, so did Barlow.
Ah, Barlow. It reamins to be seen - but at the moment that would have to be classified as a "blown draft pick."
The kid does have some skill but it hasn't translated into anything ..was always on White (second ) team in practice and sometimes was a reserve on the Whites!
So...to sum up - gambles, injuries, perhaps incorrect evaluations, have led to what you've got.
I do think Dobriansky has a chance to be decent...
This is from - HIT A FREE THROW....
To speed dial. I would absolutely keep Dave. As I've stated before, I've been "here" for a long time and this is not the way MU operates. We can not forget that MU is not a big time college program that hires and fires coaches after 1 or 2 bad seasons. I don't think there is any NEC team that operates that way. It's just the nature of the beast we have here. Now, if we go 3 or 4 consecutive seasons with sub par performance he should begin to worry, and even then I can tell you he still has time before he will be fired.
I think many of you think Monmouth University is like Kentucky, Duke or even Seton Hall. We are not! NEC schools just don't operate on a you have 3 seasons to produce a championship or you are fired. The bigger programs hire these coaches who are paid outrageous wages and you can be sure that the clock is ticking right after they put their name on the contract. They HAVE to produce a championship team or at least be in the running each year or they are canned.
Just take a moment and think about the level we are playing on and you'll see just how silly your thoughts of Dave getting fired for one bad season really seems to be.
How about we fire the water boy and call it a day... my 2007/2008 prediction is 9-9 in the Power House NEC 2-10 non conference 11-19 over all..
The water boy? And the towel kids. Might as well make it total sacking.
Yeah, let's fire them all. Then for the contests next year during timeouts, they can strap towels to the knees of the kids going for the envelope so he/she can wipe down the floor as well.
I'm patiently looking forward to which recruits come in for official visits in the next few weeks.
"Yeah, let's fire them all. Then for the contests next year during timeouts, they can strap towels to the knees of the kids going for the envelope so he/she can wipe down the floor as well."
BUT WE DONT CALL TIMEOUTS!!!!!!!!!
07-08 prediction - 7-23
Tony, I know it to be true, but did you ever see any disaggreement btwn billet and dave?
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Frank Sullivan is out as Harvard's basketball coach Monday following a 12-16 season.
Harvard did not renew the contract of Sullivan, who coached the Crimson for 16 seasons and went 178-245. Harvard was 5-9 in Ivy League play, including a season-ending 76-66 loss to Columbia on Saturday.
The school will immediately begin a search for a new coach, athletic director Bob Scalise said.
"I am hopeful that a change in leadership of our men's basketball program will bring us closer to our goals of consistently contending for the Ivy League championship," Scalise said in a statement.
Harvard last made the NCAA Tournament in 1946.
Sullivan could not immediately be reached for comment. A message was left at his office phone Monday.
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
ST. LOUIS -- Indiana State's sixth straight losing season cost coach Royce Waltman his job even before the Sycamores played in the Missouri Valley Conference tournament.
Waltman, whose contract ends after this season, confirmed after a 59-38 loss to Creighton in the quarterfinals on Friday night that he had been fired, saying it has been common knowledge around the Terre Haute, Ind., campus for about a week.
"Don't take this as a bitter comment, because I'm not one bit bitter, but the administration handled this with the deft touch of a 20-mule team," Waltman said. "They said it at a board of trustees' meeting, which is obviously going to leak out, but yet said they didn't want to announce it until after the tournament.
"So it just left us with every man, woman and child in Terre Haute knowing I'm fired, but it's not official. It still hasn't been made official by whoever's going to make that statement."
The conference was attempting to reach school officials for comment.
Waltman was 134-164 in 10 seasons at the school and is the only coach in the post-Larry Bird era to take the Sycamores to the NCAA Tournament. He discussed the situation with players before the tournament. Indiana State (13-18), the 10th and bottom seed, beat Illinois State in its tournament opener Thursday night to win for only the second time in 15 games.
"Coming into the tournament, coach talked to us and we left that back in Terre Haute," guard Gabe Moore said. "We weren't going to worry what was going to happen to coach after the season.
"If he was going to leave, we were going to try and send him out on a good note. We just couldn't do it."
Indiana State shot only 23 percent and had a season low for points in its finale. Waltman blamed the opposition, and not his lame-duck status.
"I've been around long enough that it isn't necessarily going to break their hearts even if I am fired," Waltman said. "But it just got to be such common knowledge that I had to talk to them about it.
"We came down here in really good spirits, played well last night, just couldn't solve the riddle of Creighton."
Waltman is 323-250 in 20 seasons, leading Indiana State to consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances in 2000 and 2001. He was an assistant under Bobby Knight at Indiana when the Hoosiers won the NCAA title in 1987.
He was realistic about his odds of getting another Division I coaching job.
"Well, I can't get a head coaching job, because if you get fired for cheating you can get hired right back again," Waltman said. "But if you get fired for losing you're like you've got leprosy.
"Young coaches need to keep that in mind. Cheating and not graduating players will not get you into trouble, but boy losing will."
Waltman also pointed out the school's struggles before he was hired. The 1999-2000 team was 22-10, winning the school's first outright Missouri Valley regular-season title and NCAA bid in 21 years.
When he was hired, Waltman said his victory total this season would have been "cause for a ticker tape parade down through town."
"I'm very proud what we did so quickly," he said. "We were in a position to really build upon that but we didn't.
"There's nobody to blame for that but myself, and I'm embarrassed by that."
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
To last anon - Gee, I wonder why you posted this?..How did yu miss the St. Bon coach and about 10-15 others who have been canned since the end of the season?
Well well well just read the post about Harvard's Basketball program I guess the little guys can think about change also.... Hit A free Throw said I was silly to think a small time program cares about its program... Say tune more to report.. By the wat Joe Scott will be let go this week as well..
So in 16 seasons this guy never made it to the NCAA tourney? Basically you are saying Dave has a lot of time at MU then since he's been there 3 times as a head coach. What was the purpose of the post about the Harvard coach?
NORMAL, Ill. -- Illinois State University fired basketball
coach Porter Moser on Monday, citing a lack of progress in his four
seasons at the school.
Moser, who had three years remaining on his contract, was 51-67
since taking over at Illinois State in 2003. His teams had a losing
record in three of his four years at ISU.
"This isn't about wins and losses from a particular season,"
athletic director Sheahon Zenger said in a statement. "This is
about a program, and the management of that program. I have talked
this over with President (Al) Bowman and he concurs with the
decision."
Illinois State finished 15-16 this year, losing 68-65 last week
in the opening round of the Missouri Valley Conference tournament.
Under Moser the Redbirds were never higher than a No. 6 seed in the
conference's postseason tournament.
Moser said he was disappointed after rebuilding a program he
said was in "shambles" when he took over, with no scholarships
available his first year.
"I thought we were really poised to make the jump next year
where you could see the improvement in the win column," he said.
Moser's winning percentage was the third-lowest by an Illinois
State head basketball coach and lowest by a head coach with more
than two seasons on the job, the school said in a statement.
The contracts of assistant coaches Chris Jans, Daniyal Robinson
and Brian Barone also were terminated.
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Tony just food for a fair and blanced blog... many have said "small schools don't fire their coaches" like the big time programs right...Well lots of coaches will be fired over the next three weeks 35-40 at least,last year 38 were canned.
A rundown of Division I head coaching changes for the 2006-07 season:
A Change At The Top
TEAM OLD COACH NEW COACH
Colorado Ricardo Patton -- Story
Denver Terry Carroll -- Story
Evansville Steve Merfeld -- Story
Georgia State Michael Perry -- Story
Harvard Frank Sullivan -- Story
Hawaii Riley Wallace -- Story
Illinois State Porter Moser -- Story
Indiana State Royce Waltman -- Story
Liberty Randy Dunton -- Story
Minnesota Dan Monson -- Story
New Mexico Ritchie McKay -- Story
Radford Byron Samuels -- Story
Santa Clara Dick Davey -- Story
Utah Ray Giacoletti -- Story
Tony good point so I posted all the changes so far this year...Hey Hit a Free Throw looks like most are small mid majors???? Silly to think big... If I was spending $1,300,000 in free rides $325,000 for staffing and $300,000 travel and recruiting and green fees I would at least take a look....$2,000,000 budget avg $65,000 per game or what 80 students pay per year with out room and board...I guess Gaffney dosen't care about how the schools money is spent . So give Calloway three more years and a few more million and maybe Monmouth will improve... But only asking fair question ...
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If Harvard cares about their future Basketball program Why can't Monmouth take a look at their program? If you read the stories the common point is PROGRAM MGT not W/L or NCAA trips.Its a LOT of MONEY to run any D-1 program...
To fair and balanced: (I removed my prior post to correct my many spelling errors!)
Now...Ok..I have published some of these firings. Everyone gets your point as off base (in my opinion) as it is. Yes 35-40 coaches get fired, leave, etc. every year...
But I am NOT running any more..they are a waste of my time and everyone else's...for one very good reason.
Though some of these coaches had between little or some success, or even note worthy success at one stretch,
How many were fired after six consecutive winning seasons and three NCAA berths? How many please??? HOW MANY?
I have another suggestion for you..
If you feel so strongly about this..make copies of all these stories and send them to Marilyn and Gaffney .....and good luck!
On that long list of departing coaches ....hmmmmm....I don't see the name Dave Calloway there....nor will I or you.
To anon - yes, fair question. And I ran it. and my answer.
Tony don't get so upset..Calloway is SAFE and SOUND my point is Mid Majors are taking the same issues as the BIG boys W/L Money etc.Yes NOTHING will change at MU but Maybe one of those AD will call Calloway as you reported last March that Seton Hall had him on their short list...
Tony,
I swear this is like banging our heads against a brick wall. PEOPLE...DAVE CALLOWAY IS NOT GETTING FIRED NOW OR ANYTIME SOON. He has at least 5 or more years before they will even consider "thinking" about it. You all just don't understand how things work around here. Take Tony's advice and send the clippings to Marilyn and Gaffney and see what kind of response you get. You don't know Monmouth University so stop wasting your time on the topic.
To free throw - I have an excedrin headache.
Hit A Free Throw Calloway is SAFE... But don't you think someone should care about $2,000,000 program and whats going on or just look the other way ? If MU basketball was a business and it was your money don't you ask a few questions...
Yes I will call Gaffney office and ask for a copy of the schools budget and ask a few questions about the cost tuition and if they plan any increase for the regular student.Maybe some one will ask the right questions for get about Calloway its about MONEY.
Considered by many as the best young coach on the East Coast, Monmouth University's Dave Calloway is entering his ninth season at the helm of the Hawks' men's basketball program.
After his career began with a rocky start, including three consecutive losing seasons, Calloway has rebounded to lead the Hawks to the best five-year run in the program's history, including 91 wins, two Northeast Conference Tournament titles, the school's first two NEC regular-season crowns and two bids to the NCAA Tournament.
In 2003-04, the South Jersey native led Monmouth to a 21-12 recorded and a share of its first-ever NEC regular-season crown. The Hawks went on to win the NEC Tournament championship game on their home floor in front of a national ESPN2 audience. Last season, the Hawks posted their fifth consecutive winning season and won their first-ever outright Northeast Conference title.
Five years ago, Calloway began the aforementioned five-year run of success with an unexpected performance by a young group of Hawks. He earned Northeast Conference Coach of the Year honors as he guided the Blue and White to their second-ever NEC Tournament title and NCAA Tournament appearance, despite having just one senior starter. Calloway's squad won a school Division I record 21 games en route to the big dance. Known for his team's defense, Calloway's squad tasted success due to a recipe that included hard work, a patient offense and the match-up zone defense. The Hawks led the Northeast Conference in scoring defense and field goal percentage. The Hawks also set a school Division I record for scoring margin.
Following the 2000-01 season, Calloway and his staff did not rest on their laurels as the Hawks attracted one of the finest recruiting classes in recent memory, with the likes of Dwayne Byfield, Blake Hamilton and Brandon Owens. Combined with a savvy group of veterans, the squad posted an 18-12 overall record and 14-6 NEC ledger in 2001-02. The following year, in what was expected to be a rebuilding campaign, Calloway's corps finished in second place in the NEC with a 13-5 league mark and a 15-13 overall record.
Calloway was thrust into the driver's seat in the midst of the 1997-98 season. On January 17, 1998, Calloway was named interim head coach afterhis mentor and former coach, Wayne Szoke suddenly resigned after a 1-13 start. The Hawks went 3-10 the rest of the way, passing Central Connecticut State for the final spot in the NEC Tournament. The University rewarded Calloway by removing the interim from his job title.
In his first full season, Calloway led the Hawks to a 5-21 record with a squad that featured seven freshmen and started five freshmen on various occasions. After an 0-14 start to the 1998-99 season, the Hawks rallied late and won five of their last seven games. In 1999-2000, the upward trend continued for the Hawks as Calloway led
them to a 12-16 overall record and a 9-9 league ledger.
A constant at Monmouth, Calloway has been associated with Hawks' basketball for the last 13 seasons. Calloway was one of Szoke's prize recruits as a sharpshooting guard from St. Joseph's High School. He tallied 1,458 career points and had his jersey number retired by the school. His prep career included South Jersey Player of the Year honors, along with a Cape Atlantic League and South Jersey Parochial B title. In 2001, Calloway was inducted into the St. Joseph's High School Hall of Fame.
The Williamstown, N.J., native made an immediate impact in West Long Branch. During his freshman season in 1987-88, Calloway started 28 of the Hawks' 29 games. He helped guide Monmouth to its first winning campaign as a Division I squad with a 16-13 mark. He averaged nine points and three rebounds per game. His effort earned NEC All Newcomer status.
Calloway continued to shine during his sophomore season as he led the nation in 3-point field goal percentage. He made 58.5 percent of his trifecta attempts, canning 48-of-82 shots from behind the arc.
An outstanding student, Calloway earned Academic All-America honors as a junior. He averaged 14.8 points and tallied a school-record 97 3-pointers, a mark which still stands. During the 1989-90 season, he led Monmouth to the Northeast Conference title game and became the 18th Hawk to surpass the 1,000-point plateau. The team captain was recognized as an All-NEC performer.
In his final season, Calloway once again served as team captain and led the Hawks to a 19-10 record. At the time, it was MU's best showing since moving to Division I in 1983-84. Calloway capped off his career with 1,404 points and ranks 13th on MU's all-time scoring list. His point total ranks sixth in the Hawks' Division I era. During his playing days, MU compiled a 67-48 record and posted a winning record all four years. Calloway still holds every career and single-season 3-point shooting record at Monmouth.
After his graduation with full honors in 1991, Calloway remained at Monmouth as a graduate assistant coach. His tenure as a grad assistant was brief as he was promoted to full-time status in September of 1991. Three years later, Calloway was moved into the top assistant's role. He served as the staff's primary recruiter and helped build Monmouth's 1995-96 squad that made the school's first-ever NCAA Tournament appearance following the thrilling 60-59 victory over Rider in the Northeast Conference Tournament championship game. The following season, Monmouth came within three minutes of returning to the "Big Dance", but fell to Long Island.
The following season, he took over the reigns of the embattled program and on February 25, 1998, he was officially named head coach and at the time was the youngest Division I coach in the country. Calloway continued his education at Monmouth, completing his master's in business administration in 1995.
In 1996, Calloway married the former Denise Farren. They have one son, Dave, and currently reside in Belmar, New Jersey.
ROSTER STATS Copyright @ 2005 Dave Calloway NEWS RESULTS
Annon,
I totally agee with you, I would definately begin to question things. But that would be after consecutive losing seasons. This is our first down season so we will see what happens down the road. Are people forgetting this is our first season in many years that we did not made the tourney? One down season does not get people thinking about firing a coach.
How about we for get about Coach Calloway he is safe with a life time contract to age 65 OK. Now make belive your in thr real world and you have to oversee a $2,000,000 business.OK what do you do..How about at the Board meeting you think any reports are offered or you don't do anything but drink coffee and smile...Geee lets take all the personel issues out and see what type of information is offered.Why can't a fair question be ask without Calloway's life time job muck up the real issue...
Hit A Free Throw yes your right its the first poor season after a GREAT SIX YEAR RUN AGREED,but if your running the show and your GM ( Coach ) tells you things don't look so good for the next few years,What do you do? Thats the issue it has nothing to do with CALLOWAY.Maybe he is burnt out,Maybe change would be good for him as well... these are only issues one thinks about when they run a program for the long term.
When did the GM (Coach ) say - " things don't look so good for the next few years"
He did say he was concerned about the front court....but when was he quoted as painting this grim, overall picture??
For the record, Joe Scott will not get fired. He is a great young coach, right now without any solid players, but that will change.
It's a good thing for Joe Scott this isn't a Princeton blog!!
Joe Scott is ten times the coach Dave Calloway is!
Tony Tony I thought you went to bed with an excedrin headache... Didn't you post a 07/08 prediction of ONE more win then this season ??Wow I give Calloway a LIFE time Contract to age 65 no cut,AND you can't help yourself .... SPIN all you want... BUT most everyone on your blog is worried about the next ONE or TWO seasons ... Well I now have your HEADACHE so good night sweet dreams about DAVE...
I have an extra Excedrin I saved for you!
Joe Scott got fired an hour ago after their game with PENN lost by 20 you herd it here first ... Calloways a much better Coach didn't he hold them to 20 pts last season some type of NCAA record.. AND how about Joe Scott running away from the MU game this season ...
Joe Scott fired? Nice try. Don't think so.
Princeton did not duck MU this year far as I know.
MU may have bumped the game til next year (Tigers will play at Boylan next year, as will Penn) to host Loyola Marymount which owed MU a game here.
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