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Thursday, March 01, 2007

MU off season football news, comments

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27 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How's winter training going? Are the 5th year returnees set? Any change of hearts or transfers??

4:54 PM, March 02, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Will talk to KC over the next few days...I know they are adding to the incoming class..though they are not believed to be scholarship players...

4:59 PM, March 02, 2007  
Blogger muhawkfan said...

Hey Tony

When you talk to KC ask him why no money for 5th year players? I know there are afew that are not playing because players got money and will not see the field this year. This don't seem fair to them !!

6:21 PM, March 02, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

There are several fifth year players returning I believe including Adam San Miguel. However, far as I can figure, fifth year players may not have been granted additional money over what they may have already been receiving under the need-based formulas.

The scholarship money available is for the scholarship players...none of these fifth year players were recruited under the new football scholarship umbrella.


On the o-line..last I heard....Dunn, Skellenger, Connolly..all fifth year guys were returning...not sure about McClintock at strong safety....

6:35 PM, March 02, 2007  
Blogger muhawkfan said...

Tony

THE QUESTION WAS WHY NO MONEY FOR FIFTH YEAR PLAYERS? FACT SOME WERE NOT GETTING MONEY OR AID TO START WITH. WILL ANYONE EVER ASK COACH KC OR THE AD AND GET THE CORRECT ANSWER ? THE BOTTOM LINE I THINK IT WINDS UP BEING THERE LOSS.

8:57 PM, March 02, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Re..fifth year money. I will ask Marilyn on Monday.

9:04 PM, March 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My son committed to the team 4 yrs ago, his decision to play a fifth year was not based on money.

11:29 AM, March 03, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Good for him. And I hope he has a good year!

11:40 AM, March 03, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

As I understand it...prior to the scholarship players...football student athletes came to Monmouth on various financial packages including need, academic money, their own (family) money, etc.

That would be their package for their four or five years.


I'm not sure what changes could be made to those packages. If a player wanted or wants additional
money I don't know if that money is available.

Scholarship money is for "new recruits" as per my understanding.

I'm not saying I am totally correct here..if anyone wants to pitch into this converation feel free to do so.

I don't know if the school has the option of boosting a package to a non-scholarship player - and if it does and chooses not to do so - I guess they have that option.


I get the feeling here some fifth year famalies are - in other words- asking for a "Raise."

I don't know how that works..or would the money then come from (and thus diminish) the available scholarship money?


Perhaps there is a parent among you who could further enlighten me and all of us?

Again..I will ask Marilyn all about this on Monday..well..- I will try and get a hold her. She is usually accessible.

my e-mail is tonygsports@aol.com

11:55 AM, March 03, 2007  
Blogger muhawkfan said...

This one is for you anonymous. Does your son like the fact that other players getting money and poss. not playing? The other case,your getting some money or your very rich to pay for Monmouth.That you stated 4 years ago there was no money,true but now there is. This might get people upset, but with the cost of college every little bit helps.

12:34 PM, March 03, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

To Muhawkfan - "these other players getting money and possibly not playing" - who are they (not looking for names of course) - in other words - are they scholarship players, fifth year players, red-shirts, who?.


Thanks.

12:46 PM, March 03, 2007  
Blogger muhawkfan said...

Hey Tony

I know you followed the team last season. I'm sure you have seen the scholarship players that did'nt see the field. The same will be said for this season, some players on scholarship will not see the field. Tony it,s very easy get a roster see who was on scholarship and did'nt play. I'm sorry if this has hit a nerve with some people. But as i posted before just don't make much sence.

3:14 PM, March 03, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Ok...I see what you're saying but it does make sense because

You're talking about the scholarship players..most of whom were red-shirted (did not play) and probably the same will happen to several/many - this year.

BUT..they are on scholarship. That's a totally different ball game from the fifth-year seniors who, are not on scholarship, and have different financial packages.

If a non-scholarship player does or does not not wish to return for his fifth year under his financial package that is certainly his choice.

But it may not be realistic for MU to alter that package.

Now I don't know whether they can or would do that..but, I do not beleive they would or could
offer scholarship money to fifth year players because, as far as I know that money, is for new players only.

Again...I am not an expert here so please bear with me, but this is what I believe is the case or at least close to it. I will check with the AD.

3:25 PM, March 03, 2007  
Blogger JMG1MON said...

Muhawkfan,

I'm a little confused at what you are wondering. Are you saying that the scholarship players may be upset because they aren't seeing the field over players who weren't on scholarship? Or are you saying that their may be a divide amongst the players receiving money vs. not receiving money (i.e. animosity)? Because, there have been players in each of the last 5 or so classes that have received and not received money. Even last recruiting class and this one, some players will receive money and others will not. If there is some animosity amongst the players, these guys have done a marvelous job of keeping it off the field and in the locker room.

5:19 PM, March 03, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

I think MU Hawk fan is upset that scholarship players may not see the field while fifth-year seniors (none on scholarship) are not given any additional money for their extra year.

..but that's two totally different financial arenas.

The same could be said for this fall's fourth-year seniors or any players who are not on scholarship, but have been playing more than last fall's frosh scholarship athletes of which very few saw action.


But that's why the scholarship money was allowed for ""new recruits" only -- to stay away from this type of controversy.


In other words.....two years ago - Brian Boland, going into his senior year, could not ask to be placed on scholarship, because that money was only for incoming freshman, as I under stand it.

5:45 PM, March 03, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MU now has a total of 30 scholarships available due to NEC rules. Each school can use the scholarships as they sit for each year. Some schools like Stony Brook used all there scholarship money the first two years. But MU I think is doing it at a rate of 10 or so per year. Now other schools like Wagner and St. Francis are going at an even slower rate 5 or 6 each year and maybe never getting to 30 fulls. With these fulls they can not be divided up like they can with say baseball, softball, or soccer scholarships.

I think everyone has to look at it from KC's standpoint. If you now have 30 ships to handout your now recruiting a different type of player that you would not have gotten a few years ago. He figures that he already has the SR and JR already in the program with financial aid why award them money now. It must be tough to give kids a scholarship who are going to take a year or two to develop while other kids who are not on scholarship are starting but KC must do what is best for the program. If a few kids would quiet because they were upset that they are not getting scholarship then so be it, they are not program players anyway. But I think those types of player are very few if there are any.

We all have to agree that this is a changing time for MU football and for the better. I think we have to sit back and enjoy the ride vs teams like Maine and Delaware. All this from a former Hawk Football Player.

7:51 PM, March 03, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

To former football Hawk....

A couple of things..these are scholarship equivalents ..meaning - far as I have been told by KC - they CAN be divided up every which way ..

I believe MU gave out very few full rides, if any, the first year and I am pretty sure MU did not give full rides to all 15 kids it announced in this fall's class....

But with partial athletic scholarships, combined with other monies these players qualified for, some did receive what amounts to full rides while others got full rides period....


As for Stonybrook - it has left the NEC and thus may offer up to the 1-AA limit of 63 scholarship equivalents if it desires to do so..

That's one reason MU would rather
not have played SB this year, but was pretty much boxed in because it needed a game...

8:04 PM, March 03, 2007  
Blogger JMG1MON said...

Why wouldn't MU want to play Stony Brook this year??? Maine and Delaware have 63 equivalencies so I wouldn't think it should matter all that much if Stony Brook did as well.

10:40 PM, March 03, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Re S brook..

When MU scheduled S Brook it was looking for games...anybody!!! ..then they got Maine late and finally Duquesne at home ..I am not sure but I think another team came in late, too, but by then S Brook was already on the schedule.... MU had been trying to schedule another home game...and they may have been looking for someone a tad less difficult..


I know KC goes out and sets up a heavy schedule but this one..with a young team no less..appears particulary challenging

and, finally, one more "very important" item ...

I hate that drive all the way out on Long Island...!

10:59 PM, March 03, 2007  
Blogger JMG1MON said...

I see. I love our schedule but a 5th home game would have been nice. Our schedule got lots of congrats on the anygivensaturday board, sans the away game at St. Peter's. I also hear you about the drive to Long Island. I've made the drive a couple of times since I graduated and it is a pain. Not usually so bad going, but coming home traffic is a nightmare.

1:06 PM, March 04, 2007  
Blogger JMG1MON said...

I agree Tony, the schedule this year is very tough. Although, I think it will really help us for the conference schedule. I think our team can compete with everyone on the schedule, but only time will tell.

1:10 PM, March 04, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Re: scholarships, fifth years, etc. I talked with KC today. Basically he declined to comment publicly..said if any one has questions, they should contact him directly.

I am correct about the dividing up of the scholarship eqivalencies ..and I believe - this is NOT official...the non-schoplarship players are generally locked into the packages they agreed to...

Now..again this is only my opinion - could MU boost a non-scholarship package...? if it falls under aid-allowed guidelines..maybe...(my opinion only) and maybe it could also depend - maybe - on how valuable they feel that player is ..maybe sort of like a free agent situation ..again I am just speculating here as many of you are ...nothing is fact.

KC holds his scholarship info very close to the vest..I can tell you that for sure.

and also that scholarship players are different animals from those not on scholarship.....

By the way..Callahan said both Bischoffs (DBs, special teamers) are coming back for fifth years...I did not have them listed myself ....He said strong safety Jamaal McLintock will not be returning for a fifth year ..That leaves MU with two returning starters on defense... - senior to be corner Ayo Falae and junior to be OSLB T.J. Cerezo...

2:37 PM, March 04, 2007  
Blogger JMG1MON said...

Tony, who do we have returning on offense as starters? Also, will you be able to get over to spring practice at all, whenever it starts? Also, who do you think will be our new starters on defense and our replacements on offense?

11:51 PM, March 04, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Jm....... starters back on offense include .....at least three O fifth-year linemen, San Miguel, Sinisi.....don't have depth chart in front of me at the moment...but only two starters back on defense...I do expect to make it to at least one spring practice....

I think we'll have a better handle on the depth chart at that time (spring) ..and of course that does not include any possible impact freshman in the fall...

11:43 AM, March 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coach Bobik is known though for not fondly playing incoming freshmen whether it'd be lack of experiece/physical tools or trust in a new guy.

4:55 PM, March 06, 2007  
Blogger JMG1MON said...

to: anon
I think it has more to do with coaches trying to redshirt guys as much as they can. However, he has been known to play freshman on the d-line when they need to.

Also Tony, I saw in the Bergen Record today that former Monmouth offensive lineman Liam Klein ('01?). Is now director of player personel for Georgia Tech. Unfortunately the blurb doesn't seem to be online.

9:00 PM, March 08, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hawks were well represented in Don Hansen's football gazzette, couple of 1st team all americans in both the mid-major and all region north east teams.

7:58 AM, March 09, 2007  

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