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Saturday, March 17, 2007

Can Monmouth men's hoops ever be Winthrop - someday?

Here is some info on Winthrop's facility...the school does not have football.

Winthrop’s basketball teams play in
the beautiful and modern 6,100-seat
Winthrop Coliseum, the headquarters
for the athletic department and located
on Eden Terrace about one mile from
the main campus.

Note from me its history in this building going back to 1982 Winthrop has never had a sell out. Top crowd was 5,200 last year (all this info from its web site). It has had 20 crowds of over 3,000.

Winthrop is located in Rock Hill, S.C., about 30 minutes south of Charlotte.

The coliseum was
the home of the Carolina Panthers of
the National Football League for two
years. The facility was completed in
October, 1982, at a cost of $10.7
million, and underwent a exterior and
interior refurbishing in 2003-04. The
coliseum is a multi-purpose facility and
is used year-around for athletic events,
concerts, conventions, receptions,
conferences, and various entertainment

In addition to the main playing
arena, the coliseum contains a modern
athletic training room, weight room,
laundry room, eight dressing rooms
for athletes and visiting entertainers, a
booster club meeting room, equipment
room, media room, two classrooms,
30 offices, three conference rooms, a
film review room, and areas for indoor
baseball and softball practice. An
Academic Services area which
includes a computer lab and study hall
is also located in the building.


Anonymous have a 3 on me said...

Wonder if Winthrop has set a limit on capacity dates with their local zoning board?

7:13 PM, March 17, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

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7:27 PM, March 17, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

So that's why they've never had a sell out!

8:16 PM, March 17, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

with or without Calloway

8:31 PM, March 17, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

I think it's

8:32 PM, March 17, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NCAA Division I-AAA

Football? No

Athletic Expenses (2006) $7,788,441
Rank 240 of 331

Men's Basketball Expenses (2006) $1,042,713 (13% of total)
Rank 201 of 331

Men's Sports Recruiting Exp. (2006)* $58,890
Rank 278 of 331

Cost per Win (2005-06 Season) $45,335.35 (27 wins)

As you can see they have about the same budget as Monmouth Basketball. Coaching an edge to Winthrop Recuriting is the difference maker MU should be in a much better spot after six great seasons. MU has to rebuild quickly or they will be a middle of the road team in the NEC. I would add another ast Coach to the staff and a business manager to the program right away. I would bump two games next season Penn and Texas AM CC out a year or two,add NJIT and a D-3 cupcake . Recurit a 6-6 wing and save one free ride for next season. Off season weight lifting program has to be reviewed and add a part time cond coach just for the mens program. Keep the team together this summer in the class room and gym as well as all the players playing in the JSBL. Keep Calloway for the blance of his contract its his job to lose. MU has been to the NCAA four time to Winthrop Six they are not to far behind but if MU slides the next three season it could be out of reach.

9:32 PM, March 17, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Interesting. The site for this info is????

MU is at the limit of its paid coaches.

Calloway has never been one to schedule a D 3..though I am in agreement with you, it wouldn't hurt to tone down the non-conference schedule a notch. Then again, MU was not supposed to lose to Hartford, at home no less.

I thought NJIT would have been a good schedule addition (they beat Rider though)..

For what it's worth, I believe Texas CC started five seniors the other night....

10:09 PM, March 17, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Winthrop Schedule

11/10 North Greenville W 89-46 1-0
11/14 at Iona W 57-38 2-0
11/15 at No. 2 North Carolina L 73-66 2-1
11/18 at Mississippi State W 74-63 3-1
11/20 at No. 24 Maryland L 71-60 3-2
11/27 VA Intermont W 90-46 4-2
11/29 Presbyterian W 76-51 5-2
12/2 at Northern Illinois W 72-62 6-2
12/4 at No. 12 Wisconsin L 82-79 6-3
12/9 Limestone W 80-46 7-3
12/18 Mount St. Mary's W 74-59 8-3
12/21 at East Carolina W 69-50 9-3
12/29 at Old Dominion W 71-65 10-3
01/2 at No. 11 Texas A&M L 71-51 10-4
01/6 Virginia Military Tony looks like THREE D-3 teams,This is a good example of a mix of programs.

10:40 PM, March 17, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Three D3s would be pushing it too far for me. I would not be in favor of that.

10:45 PM, March 17, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tony Wintrops roster has a good mix also a couple international players a few local and the blance from within their region.Two transfers. Also MU can have another Ast Coach under the NCAA rules only four can recurit on the road,many midmajors have four ast and a Director of Basketball business manager plus a grad ast or two .

10:48 PM, March 17, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree in the long run BUT with what we are looking at the next year or two why not if Winthrop can and NOBODY on TV said anything about their schedule other then the big games they played this year,I only was looking for one NOT three.Just an idea...

10:51 PM, March 17, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tony how about a good D-2 team instead?

10:54 PM, March 17, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

I just checked in the NEC media guide. At least in the NEC no school listed more than three assistants. MU did not have a grad assistant, at least no one was listed in the MU media guide.

11:03 PM, March 17, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Re: D2s. I had thought of that. Anyone for bringing Bentley here next year?

As you may recall MU did play preseason games with D2s - CW Post and Lemoyne there for a few years.

11:06 PM, March 17, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes you are right but dont you want to move up and one day get out of the dog house NEC..

11:09 PM, March 17, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bentley would be a great game I just hope we could win,the local kid would be a good draw as well.

11:12 PM, March 17, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Re: Leaving NEC. I am sure - strapped to a lie detector - you would find Gaffney would leave tomorrow.


1. You've got to get the MAC built...

2. Then, have a high quality product (s) - hoops and or football - to be attractive to another league...

11:18 PM, March 17, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Re: Bentley. would be a good draw..maybe tooo tough an opponent!!

11:20 PM, March 17, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What league would MU go to???

The CAA, Patriot, or maybe a future league that will formed from the Northeast D1AA football school.

Sounds to me this is what Stony Brook is trying to do.

Tought on recruiting when you switch conferences.

I do agree that the NEC holds no weight when you go into someones hoem to recruit a player and tell them that you are in the NEC.

We need the other schools in conference to step up or bring in other schools like a Marist.

8:39 AM, March 18, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did Bentley win their game this weekend?

9:01 AM, March 18, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the long run the next Ten years I rather be in the A-10 or CAA and have a 6-12 conf record then in the NEC and be rebuilding from a 9th place going where might I ask Tony next season....Just a thought

9:50 AM, March 18, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bentley would have won by 10-15 pts easy this year.Their coach has done a OUTSTANDING job don't be surprised if a few AD have his name on their speed dial....

9:53 AM, March 18, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Bentley program has been a model of consistency over the past 16 years and much of this can be attributed to the leadership of head coach Jay Lawson. At a time when the Northeast-10 Conference has grown into the nation’s deepest and most competitive league, Lawson and his staff have provided the teams with exceptional continuity and direction. Under his guidance, the Falcons have achieved winning records in 14 of 15 seasons (including the last 11) and have an overall record of 272-162 (.627).

9:59 AM, March 18, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Franco Wakhisi is in his first year as a graduate assistant with the Strength & Conditioning Program.

For the past two seasons Wakhisi has been a volunteer assistant coach for the men's soccer team and has now turned his focus to strength & conditioning as he works toward his master's in International Business.

If you want to be like Winthrop then do some homework and add to the Monmouth staff ASAP.Franco main focus is the mens basketball program at Monmouth the football program is the main focus of the strength coach just ask any of the past players.Its a good time to review every part of the program and try to improve.

10:12 AM, March 18, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Re Marist: Assuming you're talking football, I hear the NEC is courting Marist and LaSalle for football.

11:07 AM, March 18, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Re: Bentley. They won last is the story from the BC web site...

March 13, 2007
32-0 Bentley Uses Team Effort to Capture 1st-Ever NCAA Regional Crown

WALTHAM, Mass. - With three players scoring in double figures and another stellar defensive effort, the undefeated Bentley men's basketball team continued its magical season by winning its first-ever NCAA Division II Northeast Regional championship Tuesday night, 63-54 over Bryant University before more than 2,000 fans at the Dana Center.

The win was the 32nd straight for the Falcons and sets up a first-round Elite Eight encounter with another unbeaten club, defending national champion Winona State (Minn.), next Wednesday night at the MassMutual Center in Springfield.

The Warriors, 33-0 this season, extended their Division II record winning streak to 54 games with an 89-76 victory over Minnesota State-Mankato in the North Central final.

PS..I will be calling Jason today or tomorrow to get his comments on the Winona game...

11:10 AM, March 18, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NO! The real question is can Monmouth ever be Monmouth again, Tony?

8:31 PM, March 18, 2007  
Blogger JMG1MON said...

I don't see how we could ever possibly be Winthrop. As I posted earlier, they have won 7 of the last 9 conf. championships, including 3 in a row. THey are the dominant program in that conference. That isn't going to happen in the NEC. Too much parity!!!

5:00 PM, March 19, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea maybe one day we could be a Winthrop, but right now MU can't even beat SFPA to go to the NEC Playoffs so becoming a sound squad like the Eagles is probably a ways down the road here.

5:02 PM, March 19, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

To JMG - Which sort of makes Calloway's 3 NCAA trips and two regular season titles over the last six years look pretty good.

But never say never - Once MU gets the Gaffney Colesium (or whatever) operating it will have one of the top facilities in the East for a school at or somewhat above its level.

Then you need good marketing and all the amenities (commercial radio, webstreams, more TV) and then perhaps a jump to another league to boost the program along...and see what happens.

5:16 PM, March 19, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

To anon about SFPA - a harsh bucket of cold water just splashed across the forum.

5:19 PM, March 19, 2007  
Blogger JMG1MON said...

Tony, I definitely agree with you. Calloway has done a phenomenal job at MU. To kill him for one season as many of the posters have, is a bit over the top in my opinion.

RE: new conference
I don't think it is going to happen for some time. Patriot League doesn't offer full scholarships, so that would be regression and I highly doubt the Patriot is going to accept Monmouth anyway (doesn't have near the academic profile the rest of the conference does). They may look for a conference for football if they can't get a full scholarship program in the NEC (if this is what they want to do). But for an across the board program conference upgrade is a long way off.

8:04 PM, March 19, 2007  
Anonymous slippery when wet said...

Tony, can MU ever be MU again, honestly?

9:14 PM, March 19, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually Patriot league does offer scholarships now. All do now believe. I know Holy Cross, Lehigh, Bucknell, and American do for a fact. Think Lafyette and Colgate just got on board with this.

10:27 PM, March 19, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Patriot does offer full rides in basketball though, as you say, not in football. However it does offer a great deal of football aid though technically not "scholarship" money. Academics would definitely be an issue for MU.

MU, in my opinion, not going anywhere until: 1. MAC is built,
2. Men's hoops rebounds to a high level, and or football maintains its quality status.

Bottom line though..get the building up and running and MU suddenly becomes a heck of a lot more beauty than beast.

10:32 PM, March 19, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

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10:42 PM, March 19, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

Tony Graham said...
To slippery - absolutely, why not? Though next year looks like a struggle at the moment.

With the roster as is - we have to project. Three guards (Whit, Ship, and "Jet") improve.

Jhamar is a potential All-NEC First Teamer if not a POW.

When MU wins it has been at timess with one outstanding player (potentially Jhamar in this case) and solid complimentary "system" players. Incoming players Hett and DelTufo supposed to fill those "system" roles along with red-shirt Gaitley.

Dobriansky, I believe has a good upside, in the post. Not going to happen over night but could happen..and this does not include any incoming recruits. And Rickie Crews (still there far as I know) definitely a wild card.

But next year may not appease MU's impatient fans.

10:45 PM, March 19, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

To latest anon: I rejected your last post because of the strong wording you used which I felt was inappropriate..There are other ways to make your point...I will be taking a harder stance on some of these comments from now on about coaches and athletes.

If you want to still make this point it is acceptable, but resend and rephrase. Thank you.

You may always e-mail me to also discuss this ...

4:52 PM, March 21, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tony your boy Joe Scott is gone and when I posted it after the Penn game you gave me #*+? .
Trust me it was a easy out.
Now your herd it hear change will happen at MU after the NCAA tourny.

7:32 PM, March 21, 2007  
Blogger Tony Graham said...

To anon (and you know who you are) - Well, I feel your "personal" opinion is inappropriate when there are so many other ways to state your case..and if you don't want to visit here again - I won't miss you.

4:55 PM, March 22, 2007  

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